1 00:00:05,19 --> 00:00:08,12 All right near enough 7 o'clock straight up we'll go ahead and get started I'll 2 00:00:08,13 --> 00:00:11,91 call this meeting to order 1st thing I'm going to do is go over the agenda for 3 00:00:11,92 --> 00:00:18,40 tonight we have. 2 items of nothing out of the new business the 1st is 4 00:00:18,41 --> 00:00:20,89 a request to the dear be by Chris are to the you know this is 5 00:00:20,90 --> 00:00:26,44 a preliminary and final platter of you free to lot subdivision at 89 Raceway road 6 00:00:26,73 --> 00:00:31,60 and this is in the rural act district. The 2nd piece of business is 7 00:00:31,61 --> 00:00:35,15 a sketch plan review this is great art l.l.c. 8 00:00:35,16 --> 00:00:38,27 7 lots of division at 69 Packard road and that's 9 00:00:38,28 --> 00:00:42,54 a village zoning district and then the 3rd piece of business tonight is to approve 10 00:00:42,55 --> 00:00:47,26 the minutes from our previous meeting which was September 11th and at that point we 11 00:00:47,27 --> 00:00:52,49 expect to or Journ the public meeting and go to deliberative session so that's our 12 00:00:52,50 --> 00:00:56,90 agenda for this evening any changes Woakes. No Ok so one of the way it was 13 00:00:56,91 --> 00:01:01,89 published very good these proceedings will be conducted in an orderly manner 14 00:01:01,90 --> 00:01:05,49 consistent with our rules of procedure so I'll be running through them I'll be 15 00:01:05,50 --> 00:01:10,33 running that tonight if you wanted There are copies of the rules or procedure that 16 00:01:10,34 --> 00:01:12,46 we used on the website and you could get 17 00:01:12,47 --> 00:01:15,76 a copy from Chris also as people come in if you please sign in that would be 18 00:01:15,77 --> 00:01:20,41 helpful. At this point I want to request 19 00:01:20,42 --> 00:01:26,40 a disclosure of any conflicts of interest or any ex parte communication with us Ok 20 00:01:26,46 --> 00:01:31,74 thanks to disposed of that so this point to talk about the interested persons rule 21 00:01:31,74 --> 00:01:37,84 . Although many members of the public might be interested it is only permit 22 00:01:37,85 --> 00:01:42,98 application only statutorily defined interested persons may appeal the decision of 23 00:01:42,99 --> 00:01:47,20 the zoning it missed or the deal or date. If an interested person fails to make 24 00:01:47,21 --> 00:01:51,83 a timely appeal all persons are bound by the officer Derby's decision or act only 25 00:01:51,84 --> 00:01:56,08 those interested persons who have participated in a deer be proceeding may appeal 26 00:01:56,09 --> 00:01:59,95 a decision Ranta in that proceeding in environmental court pursuant to state 27 00:01:59,96 --> 00:02:04,12 statute participation consists of offering through oral or written testimony 28 00:02:04,13 --> 00:02:05,07 evidence or 29 00:02:05,08 --> 00:02:08,21 a statement of concern related to the subject of the proceeding so this is why they 30 00:02:08,22 --> 00:02:12,24 asked people to sign in because one of the part of the work that we do as a d r 31 00:02:12,25 --> 00:02:17,84 d is to establish who participated in each hearing and that helps us to have the 32 00:02:17,85 --> 00:02:21,96 Senate Schieffer that and also later on we go to public comment and we ask the 33 00:02:21,97 --> 00:02:26,60 public to participate if you could give us your name nice and loud and clear so 34 00:02:26,61 --> 00:02:30,63 then I can get it in the minutes that will be helpful also. Interested persons 35 00:02:30,64 --> 00:02:34,14 include the applicant or if the applicant does not on the subject property the 36 00:02:34,15 --> 00:02:38,25 person owning title to the property and Minas a pallet that has a plan or by 37 00:02:38,26 --> 00:02:43,62 a lot issue in an appeal or any municipality adjoining that municipality it person 38 00:02:43,63 --> 00:02:46,02 owning or occupying property in the media neighborhood of 39 00:02:46,03 --> 00:02:50,25 a property that's subject to any zoning decision or act who can demonstrate 40 00:02:50,26 --> 00:02:51,95 a physical or environmental impact on 41 00:02:51,96 --> 00:02:55,81 a person's interest of the criteria reviewed and who alleges that the decision or 42 00:02:55,82 --> 00:03:01,64 act of confirmed will violate human is will play or by law. Any 10 persons either 43 00:03:01,65 --> 00:03:04,56 voters or landowners who buy sign petition to the d.m.v. 44 00:03:04,78 --> 00:03:07,34 Allege the decision or act of confront will violate them in 45 00:03:07,35 --> 00:03:11,63 a civil plan or by law the petitioners must designate one person to serve as their 46 00:03:11,64 --> 00:03:16,09 representative and any department administrative subdivision of the state owning 47 00:03:16,10 --> 00:03:17,15 property within the miss 48 00:03:17,16 --> 00:03:23,01 a polity and the agency of promising to develop so. That's why I wanted to explain 49 00:03:23,02 --> 00:03:26,88 this because that helps us with the with the sanity and why that's important one 50 00:03:26,89 --> 00:03:29,81 more piece of preliminary work here this is 51 00:03:29,82 --> 00:03:34,11 a quote as I judicial hearing that means that anyone who intends to speak must be 52 00:03:34,12 --> 00:03:38,64 sworn in so what I will do is I will read this over and people who are going to 53 00:03:38,65 --> 00:03:43,36 participate you can just say I did You will be sworn in. I hereby swear that the 54 00:03:43,37 --> 00:03:47,02 evidence I get in the cause under consideration shall be the whole truth and 55 00:03:47,03 --> 00:03:51,83 nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties or perjury Why didn't you get 56 00:03:51,84 --> 00:03:52,28 x. 57 00:03:53,47 --> 00:03:59,46 So this point the 1st applicant is Chris or who's going to speak for Chris. Ok so 58 00:03:59,51 --> 00:04:05,19 if you go ahead you can go ahead and explain the application to your deep purple 59 00:04:05,20 --> 00:04:09,38 Reaper. This is a little bit of a strange one it was 60 00:04:09,39 --> 00:04:16,01 a decree. To 2 to 2 people Mrs Davis who lives in the mobile home on lot 61 00:04:16,05 --> 00:04:22,40 on and she's here and Chris are you know. Really. They came in for 62 00:04:22,41 --> 00:04:28,21 a sketch and then one Rubenstein did this Plath class actually filed in land 63 00:04:28,22 --> 00:04:33,63 records and when I got involved I said well that's nice but it didn't get approved 64 00:04:33,64 --> 00:04:38,33 to be filed in the land records it needs to get final approval so that's what 65 00:04:38,34 --> 00:04:44,92 they're here for is to they have 5050 ownership of the parcel and this 66 00:04:44,93 --> 00:04:51,24 subdivision is to make it true 5051 owns 50 percent where they thought they were 67 00:04:51,25 --> 00:04:58,11 already Ok so this is the property plotted 63.4 acres lot want to get and 68 00:04:58,12 --> 00:05:05,10 has the mobile home close to. Raceway. Because this is dead group there. 69 00:05:06,95 --> 00:05:13,51 And it's will be $32.00 acres in size a lot too has 70 00:05:13,52 --> 00:05:20,10 a vacant lot no proposal on it just this is just tonight just splitting this 71 00:05:20,11 --> 00:05:26,20 parcel and that's $30.00 acres in size and has 72 00:05:26,82 --> 00:05:33,12 access easement across lot one. We've received the staff notes there is 73 00:05:33,13 --> 00:05:40,08 a sheet to the show's been work detail. Created by our office the 74 00:05:40,09 --> 00:05:45,52 main things you'll see the 10 foot contrary to all sonnet Raceway route road here 75 00:05:45,56 --> 00:05:52,52 there are 30 foot access easement. And at the back of the parcel Well 76 00:05:52,53 --> 00:05:56,79 not quite the back of the parcel there's there's 2 main restrictions on this parcel 77 00:05:56,80 --> 00:06:00,57 there's there's well that protection areas that will need to be protected in the 78 00:06:00,58 --> 00:06:03,02 future if anything's proposed and there's 79 00:06:03,03 --> 00:06:09,62 a dear wintering area in the back part of the parcel. But for the most part because 80 00:06:09,63 --> 00:06:16,44 the slopes any future development would have to stay close to the low side of the 81 00:06:16,45 --> 00:06:21,17 parcel when she once you get back to about this point it just gets too steep. 82 00:06:22,45 --> 00:06:29,42 Driveway requirements and such but again this is just for the splitting the 83 00:06:29,43 --> 00:06:36,27 parcel and half I know it was noted in the public notice as you 84 00:06:36,28 --> 00:06:40,73 said tonight ferry plenary and final I think it's just final and some minor 85 00:06:40,74 --> 00:06:47,17 subdivisions so I don't think that. That's what was asked Ok but I'm not sure with 86 00:06:47,18 --> 00:06:53,58 mine or whether you've been in the Clinton area it's often. Finds correct. So I 87 00:06:53,59 --> 00:06:59,65 have received staff notes so I can go to the parts that I think you want me to go 88 00:06:59,66 --> 00:07:04,10 to or we can go to each section whatever you'd like what are you going to dress the 89 00:07:04,11 --> 00:07:10,15 staff notes and that we can go to questions after that Ok. So most of them on page 90 00:07:10,19 --> 00:07:16,71 210.8 to 10.12. There's there's nothing to comment on again 91 00:07:16,76 --> 00:07:19,98 because this is just splitting and a lot of half 92 00:07:19,99 --> 00:07:23,08 a lot of the staff notes are this is just putting the 93 00:07:23,21 --> 00:07:28,32 a lot of half. On page 3 there's no waivers being requested. 94 00:07:31,71 --> 00:07:32,22 Down on 95 00:07:32,23 --> 00:07:37,10 a section 11 point one The app can is proposing to use current her code Andris 96 00:07:37,11 --> 00:07:39,50 We've proved to service both lots lot one has 97 00:07:39,51 --> 00:07:41,05 a current residence on it and there's 98 00:07:41,06 --> 00:07:47,85 a proposed 30 foot right away access slot to the the right of way they coming close 99 00:07:47,86 --> 00:07:51,76 to each other but it's not. The sheer drive at that point. 100 00:07:54,83 --> 00:08:01,24 The excesses would be private drives on page 4 now that is true. Section 101 00:08:01,25 --> 00:08:03,54 11.4 point one 102 00:08:04,19 --> 00:08:10,13 a lot one has that but frontage lot 2 has the 30 foot right of way that is also 103 00:08:10,14 --> 00:08:16,03 true let me point for point 2 if there's any further development. 104 00:08:19,47 --> 00:08:22,69 The dear b. . If the d. Or b. 105 00:08:22,70 --> 00:08:27,12 Feels the need to place conditions on either lot as it relates to future 106 00:08:27,13 --> 00:08:33,37 development this can be should be considered I'm not sure what. If anything's 107 00:08:33,38 --> 00:08:39,14 proposed it has to come back to you so I don't know that. I don't know that there 108 00:08:39,15 --> 00:08:45,91 be any benefit to try to craft some language at this time again the dear yard the 109 00:08:45,92 --> 00:08:52,05 slopes will have protection areas or the main restrictions if anything 110 00:08:52,56 --> 00:08:59,31 forward. Section 11.4.8 Development Review Board shown courage laugh 111 00:08:59,32 --> 00:09:05,61 play out that will preserve open space and significant natural resources. This. 112 00:09:06,73 --> 00:09:12,22 Is an extension of what Stephen already did but again it's the clearest 5050 split 113 00:09:12,23 --> 00:09:18,02 of the property so it does create other than odd law shape up on the north side 114 00:09:18,03 --> 00:09:24,52 that's existing the North lot line the common law line that's proposed just split 115 00:09:24,53 --> 00:09:29,04 slop in half. Creating 2 rectangular lines. 116 00:09:33,19 --> 00:09:39,67 On page 5 talks about grading and again no further 117 00:09:39,68 --> 00:09:41,54 development considered at this time. 118 00:09:47,43 --> 00:09:54,01 6. Down on the water supply and sewage 119 00:09:54,02 --> 00:09:56,01 disposal I agree with that 120 00:09:56,30 --> 00:10:02,13 a lot one will be exempt I do need to do one soil logger on Lot one as 121 00:10:02,14 --> 00:10:06,13 a follow up with the state engineer I have submitted to the state engineer for 122 00:10:06,14 --> 00:10:12,84 exemption and he's agreed with the session that he wants me to verify the 123 00:10:12,85 --> 00:10:19,66 stats and soil type closer to Diane's residence I did do some 124 00:10:19,67 --> 00:10:26,47 soil testing previously. To down on the lower part and there was 125 00:10:26,48 --> 00:10:31,28 steps and soils down on that lower played steps and soils are good soils for 126 00:10:31,29 --> 00:10:38,17 conventional so. So I have no problem with 11.7 point one following 127 00:10:38,18 --> 00:10:39,20 up as 128 00:10:39,21 --> 00:10:45,29 a condition. I expect to have that. Exemption from the state. 129 00:10:50,15 --> 00:10:56,52 Level point 7.3.4 talks about possible evidence of portable water 130 00:10:57,40 --> 00:11:02,09 nothing new is being proposed at this time as far as potable water for single 131 00:11:02,10 --> 00:11:09,01 family homes the one is existing the state allows. Single family 132 00:11:09,13 --> 00:11:14,41 wells by default it's only when you get more than single family where they they may 133 00:11:14,46 --> 00:11:21,05 ask for more information. Nothing else on 7. 134 00:11:23,90 --> 00:11:30,59 Page 811.12.2 talks about underground utilities that's fine but there's no 135 00:11:30,70 --> 00:11:37,35 utilities being proposed at this time. Let me point 13 talks about storm water 136 00:11:37,39 --> 00:11:43,48 again no impervious no additional impervious serious or proposed at this time same 137 00:11:43,49 --> 00:11:43,72 with 138 00:11:44,54 --> 00:11:51,30 a roach control point 132 point one. Legal documents on page 139 00:11:51,31 --> 00:11:58,28 9. We agree that prior to filing the plat I would think that there 140 00:11:58,29 --> 00:12:01,34 would be a basically a good deed for 141 00:12:01,35 --> 00:12:07,43 a lot one that's in cumbered by the 30 foot easement and the deed for law to that 142 00:12:07,44 --> 00:12:13,53 benefits from the 30 foot easement let the attorney do the rest but that's that's 143 00:12:13,54 --> 00:12:20,31 about it. And that will be provided to staff prior to the 144 00:12:20,32 --> 00:12:26,29 Platts. 10.12.9.4 point one. 145 00:12:27,91 --> 00:12:33,70 Other than the 30 foot access to law to there is no other easements right away 146 00:12:33,71 --> 00:12:37,96 these legal documents that would be necessary for this proposal. 147 00:12:42,53 --> 00:12:48,62 $10.00 There is this is not a p.r.t. 148 00:12:48,84 --> 00:12:55,11 There be no more Association Mrs Davis will have 100 percent ownership of Lot one 149 00:12:55,54 --> 00:13:01,78 and Chris over to be you know will have 100 percent ownership of lot to. Which 150 00:13:02,54 --> 00:13:06,19 they kind of already do in your land records which. 151 00:13:10,47 --> 00:13:17,30 Nothing else that I found on page 9 on the final page. Just talks about that this 152 00:13:17,31 --> 00:13:22,06 is just dividing the current lot jointly owned into lots so the individual owners 153 00:13:22,10 --> 00:13:28,96 only each lot. And I think the 2 conditions. That I'm 154 00:13:28,97 --> 00:13:34,45 aware of is the draft before the mylar. In the follow up on. 155 00:13:35,62 --> 00:13:42,62 State waste water. Questions for more. You 156 00:13:42,63 --> 00:13:48,91 see there's another coming in reluctant good 30 foot easement comes in right 157 00:13:49,38 --> 00:13:55,64 near the driveway but it's not right at it it's not splitting off that existing 158 00:13:55,65 --> 00:13:57,33 drive so there will be 159 00:13:57,34 --> 00:14:04,29 a 2nd that's Which shown based on that 30 foot easement Yes Ok And 160 00:14:04,33 --> 00:14:11,19 what's the row with the roof there. The root from 2. It's more than 161 00:14:11,20 --> 00:14:11,76 adequate for 162 00:14:11,77 --> 00:14:18,25 a lot of one. Because 163 00:14:18,26 --> 00:14:22,42 171 that will record the road ourselves through 164 00:14:22,43 --> 00:14:28,22 a little over 350 feet and with this trick is that this is in the. 165 00:14:30,00 --> 00:14:36,51 Agricultural district. Raise minimum. And I should have had 166 00:14:36,99 --> 00:14:42,37 the requirements on their foot I want to say is it $300.00 for the ag district. 167 00:14:44,32 --> 00:14:44,48 For 168 00:14:44,49 --> 00:14:53,70 a conventional lot to do what do you think. 400. So 169 00:14:53,71 --> 00:14:53,85 it's 170 00:14:53,86 --> 00:15:02,54 a it's an existing lots you've got 354 here for I'm sorry 254375 171 00:15:02,80 --> 00:15:09,52 is with the existing front inches. And you are allowed you know the regs do 172 00:15:09,53 --> 00:15:15,66 allow the 30 foot access easement to another lot so my suggestion is we're not 173 00:15:15,67 --> 00:15:22,58 making any nonconforming. Any thought of keeping to just one curve comes. 174 00:15:23,99 --> 00:15:26,91 I think that will get flushed out with 175 00:15:26,92 --> 00:15:32,47 a proposal on Lot 2 because we'll have to deal with the highway department that see 176 00:15:32,51 --> 00:15:34,25 that easements. Kind of 177 00:15:34,26 --> 00:15:38,27 a floating easement So if it ended up that it had to be I think that could be 178 00:15:38,28 --> 00:15:41,46 accomplished you know explain more of what we mean by floating easement I mean 179 00:15:41,47 --> 00:15:48,27 there's ones on the plateau where there aren't. Good I do not like. For 180 00:15:48,28 --> 00:15:53,69 most easements for them to have bearings and distances and these don't so it's 181 00:15:53,70 --> 00:16:00,42 a 30 foot easement to be centered on the drive. That way it gets floats with where 182 00:16:00,43 --> 00:16:03,40 they drive and so actually being instead of have to file 183 00:16:03,44 --> 00:16:07,56 a class 3 times so can you explain what the steps on the ground are now with 184 00:16:07,57 --> 00:16:11,78 respect to that and where the driveway is because it's hard as it used to harvest 185 00:16:11,79 --> 00:16:15,30 you know on the plaque of what's where. I should have. 186 00:16:18,74 --> 00:16:25,73 Planted it would be well I think on sheet one I also had the. Worth of 187 00:16:25,74 --> 00:16:32,11 total overlay I think we submitted didn't have the Orb The photo overlay but the 188 00:16:32,31 --> 00:16:38,90 the existing the existing house comes in approximately the center. Of that 189 00:16:38,91 --> 00:16:45,39 frontage. Goes you've gone by the mobile home doesn't sit too far into the bar so 190 00:16:46,05 --> 00:16:50,07 that you may have see the mobile homes on this planet does what we did does show 191 00:16:50,08 --> 00:16:55,70 that this is the existing drive here I'm certain it was right. Just to do. 192 00:16:58,90 --> 00:17:05,79 So. So here's your frontage from here all the way to their center 193 00:17:06,22 --> 00:17:12,22 is the existing drive that goes into the mobile All this shows splitting off. At 194 00:17:12,23 --> 00:17:17,65 that location so it does allow for it to gives approximate distances but it doesn't 195 00:17:17,66 --> 00:17:24,41 give bearings. So that's why it's not it's more centered on the drive 196 00:17:24,42 --> 00:17:30,67 versus this is actually exactly where it needs to go. And I think 197 00:17:31,27 --> 00:17:36,24 pretty much all these women should be that way because. Things aren't perfect when 198 00:17:36,25 --> 00:17:39,42 you start I guess the question that I hear from Jeff in the morning I have as well 199 00:17:39,43 --> 00:17:45,40 is now whether it is these you know we don't have a proposal for to actually build 200 00:17:45,41 --> 00:17:46,83 a driveway here correct we do 201 00:17:46,84 --> 00:17:52,81 a bowser to establish access to this other lot and for that to be conforming. It's 202 00:17:52,82 --> 00:17:53,00 not 203 00:17:53,01 --> 00:17:57,80 a new democratic cut permit and all that I would hate to have you say you're going 204 00:17:57,81 --> 00:18:03,19 to do something which then turns out not to be in compliance in the future. You 205 00:18:03,20 --> 00:18:08,96 need certainly the regs would encourage both of these to be access from one per car 206 00:18:09,28 --> 00:18:12,10 even if the driver was forced to meet only after back just in 207 00:18:12,11 --> 00:18:16,10 a traffic control 'd traffic flow standpoint that's the preferred solution you know 208 00:18:16,11 --> 00:18:20,10 the the easement will allow for that it would be pretty much an immediate split. 209 00:18:21,20 --> 00:18:25,89 But the easement would allow for that if that ends up being necessary but I think 210 00:18:25,90 --> 00:18:31,28 the you know again I think that would be me standing out of sight with the road 211 00:18:31,29 --> 00:18:36,41 foreman and is it one lot that's being proposed on lot 2 or is it 2 lots being goes 212 00:18:36,42 --> 00:18:43,33 on but 2 That'll do that'll kind of dictate. I think the end result of that. 213 00:18:58,51 --> 00:19:03,63 Gives more. To 3040 from 30 foot he's been 214 00:19:03,64 --> 00:19:10,47 a beginner supporter probably really could really. No. I 215 00:19:10,48 --> 00:19:12,96 think you're it would support the with of 216 00:19:12,97 --> 00:19:18,90 a private road but by the time you worked with drainage in that the intent for the 217 00:19:18,91 --> 00:19:21,47 30 foot is to meet the minimum requirement for 218 00:19:21,48 --> 00:19:28,08 a driveway. So if it's separate that means for your 219 00:19:28,09 --> 00:19:29,04 wrecks that 220 00:19:29,37 --> 00:19:35,79 a lot too. Could have the potential for 3 lots if it's combined to 221 00:19:35,80 --> 00:19:39,28 a potential for 2 lots. Matched potentially. 222 00:19:42,71 --> 00:19:47,86 Could we go back to the other clever question about here yeah I guess that's the 223 00:19:47,90 --> 00:19:53,35 east along Raceway Maybe soon I will define race like and I just. Understand I see 224 00:19:53,36 --> 00:19:56,15 a bunch of overlay. Is 225 00:19:56,16 --> 00:20:01,62 a mess over there own make sure I understand it this is. It's maybe it's legal to 226 00:20:01,63 --> 00:20:07,09 critique. If you get a wetland advisory from the n.r.a. 227 00:20:07,31 --> 00:20:13,02 And that's just off the property and then just onto the property that little gray 228 00:20:13,03 --> 00:20:18,11 shaded area showed up on our mapping is prime ag. Just 229 00:20:18,12 --> 00:20:23,83 a little strip and from the same in our mapping is where the deer wintering area 230 00:20:23,84 --> 00:20:28,80 came in. So he explained more about where my question was is the hatch scary this 231 00:20:28,81 --> 00:20:35,60 is well when I was very yes so so in our mapping has mapped wetlands and 232 00:20:35,61 --> 00:20:40,83 those are ones that they've either mapped or most likely they've taken from aerial 233 00:20:40,84 --> 00:20:47,38 photography and then they have. Ones that are very likely wetlands that ur 234 00:20:47,39 --> 00:20:52,48 wetland advisory layer this showed up on wetland advisory layer and I certainly 235 00:20:52,49 --> 00:20:59,49 expect that is where I am. But. So that's why you know we added it to to 236 00:20:59,50 --> 00:21:06,28 our plan. And in that area you're not showing it is overlapping onto this 237 00:21:06,29 --> 00:21:11,02 Paul into this property that I'm showing it as it shows on the n.r. 238 00:21:11,03 --> 00:21:17,31 Mapping So I would expect that it you know follows the creek rate here but the 239 00:21:17,32 --> 00:21:22,43 creek becomes much more channelized So when it when it creeps channelize sometimes 240 00:21:22,44 --> 00:21:25,91 there is no wetland it's the creek itself but. 241 00:21:29,29 --> 00:21:34,77 That's based on an our map and so if we if we were if if we found in the future 242 00:21:35,16 --> 00:21:41,53 that in fact there's that that creek plus the. One 243 00:21:42,07 --> 00:21:47,43 I mean the stream setback where would that be with respect to the. 244 00:21:48,67 --> 00:21:55,16 Proposed right of way. Pretty pretty close. The right of 245 00:21:55,20 --> 00:22:01,58 way. Appears to be. Because you know there's 246 00:22:01,59 --> 00:22:03,35 a what if what if it was there's 247 00:22:03,36 --> 00:22:09,12 a riddle you can bowl of cereal. Yes I was wondering is if there's 248 00:22:09,13 --> 00:22:11,53 a word I want to foreclosure I get 249 00:22:11,54 --> 00:22:17,24 a full size plan here so I should be able to get you to mention. Is the river of 250 00:22:17,25 --> 00:22:24,21 the winter. So as shown on 251 00:22:24,22 --> 00:22:29,02 this on the plan. The stream. 252 00:22:30,42 --> 00:22:33,80 Is. $100.00 in 253 00:22:33,84 --> 00:22:40,69 a long race way rude it's 125 feet to. Where the. 254 00:22:41,75 --> 00:22:48,50 East meet goes in that's along the road if you went 90 degrees to the creek. It's 255 00:22:48,51 --> 00:22:55,50 a fair amount closer from the creek at 7075 feet. So what I 256 00:22:55,56 --> 00:23:00,77 what I did there the one distance is coming along the road the other distance is 257 00:23:00,78 --> 00:23:06,18 going like this to the right away and that's now 75 feet. So we would have to if 258 00:23:06,19 --> 00:23:12,64 that ends up being. If that ends up being class to wetland within that channel we 259 00:23:12,65 --> 00:23:13,56 would have to maintain 260 00:23:13,57 --> 00:23:19,97 a 50 foot buffer from the. Increase was the river all the way that is in the little 261 00:23:19,98 --> 00:23:21,46 ears of you know that there is 262 00:23:21,47 --> 00:23:27,24 a small portion of the property down. Near the river that is. 263 00:23:28,86 --> 00:23:35,81 Leaking. I'm not so sure 264 00:23:35,82 --> 00:23:39,33 if it isn't on my plan there's kind of 265 00:23:39,34 --> 00:23:46,32 a. Pinkish line that follows the wetland advisory area and 266 00:23:46,33 --> 00:23:51,22 then continues on to the property and I think that was the river the river overlay 267 00:23:52,11 --> 00:23:58,21 you can you can it was flood story flood hazard area so from they are mapping 268 00:23:58,68 --> 00:24:03,02 that's usually more restrictive than the river overlay but on on our sheet it 269 00:24:03,03 --> 00:24:07,66 includes the flood hazard area we would or they know it's fine because what it is 270 00:24:07,89 --> 00:24:13,43 and and crispy remind us what the restriction is from drug was in the new up there 271 00:24:13,79 --> 00:24:19,88 Ok it really does the structures to produce things like that are allowed in septic 272 00:24:19,89 --> 00:24:22,97 wells and those lines are Ok thank you that's why any. 273 00:24:26,71 --> 00:24:27,62 Questions I've got 274 00:24:27,63 --> 00:24:34,07 a couple more than I want to of the pond and to the. Twitter the chair was supposed 275 00:24:34,08 --> 00:24:40,17 to shut up and let them talk but it's not working today. Do you when you talk 276 00:24:40,18 --> 00:24:44,25 a little bit about the president septic permits can you say you're looking for 277 00:24:44,26 --> 00:24:49,10 exemption is there any men that's needed because of the subdivision or where does 278 00:24:49,11 --> 00:24:52,64 that stand now there's well so it's it's 279 00:24:52,65 --> 00:24:59,13 a 62 week or 63.4 acre parcel and the mobile home predates 280 00:24:59,67 --> 00:25:06,40 the closure of the 10 acre exemption so you can you can reduce the size 281 00:25:06,77 --> 00:25:12,87 of the parcel as long as you're showing that there's adequate soils on the 282 00:25:12,88 --> 00:25:18,18 remaining part of the parcel So even though block one is well over 10 acres it 283 00:25:18,19 --> 00:25:21,73 would be $32.00 acres it either requires 284 00:25:21,74 --> 00:25:26,29 a permit or requires an exemption the state doesn't want you to take away land 285 00:25:26,30 --> 00:25:33,28 unless they know that the existing. Is Ok Right so the Stetson what I submitted was 286 00:25:33,29 --> 00:25:36,92 a survey that the plan showed where the mobile home was show that the new line was 287 00:25:36,93 --> 00:25:43,36 400 feet away showed the mapping that. Included the steps and mapping and I spoke 288 00:25:43,40 --> 00:25:46,03 with the state engineer once he had 289 00:25:46,04 --> 00:25:51,78 a chance to look at it and he says that all looks good uses but just get out there 290 00:25:52,12 --> 00:25:58,65 and do an auger. In that so called stats and to prove the stats and so I still need 291 00:25:58,66 --> 00:26:03,19 to do that to follow up with him so that's where I say one of the suggested 292 00:26:03,20 --> 00:26:09,71 conditions would be just that already Plus lot to do is basically at the state 293 00:26:10,23 --> 00:26:13,09 we're not proposing anything at this time so it's and it has 294 00:26:13,10 --> 00:26:17,87 a standard deferral language and that nothing can happen that requires septic until 295 00:26:17,88 --> 00:26:18,60 such time there is 296 00:26:18,61 --> 00:26:25,53 a permit Ok that's understood. And then the other one last question I have is 297 00:26:26,26 --> 00:26:32,83 we have this situation in the land records where this subdivision is 298 00:26:33,27 --> 00:26:35,59 I will say this rather say the subdivision recorded but there's 299 00:26:35,60 --> 00:26:40,04 a client that shows this proposed one case where exactly sure its status is that 300 00:26:40,05 --> 00:26:46,88 we're trying to fix that but with respect to the internal walk in of new deeds 301 00:26:46,89 --> 00:26:48,71 with this right of way and then 302 00:26:48,72 --> 00:26:53,67 a new plaque based on this if this were to get approved how does that happen so 303 00:26:53,68 --> 00:27:00,54 we're So here you're proposing to to file to to create deeds in the new 304 00:27:00,55 --> 00:27:06,60 Kwak to get filed together yet the staff notes Chris suggested that legal documents 305 00:27:06,61 --> 00:27:11,90 would be necessary part of filing the mylar so there would need to be a deed for 306 00:27:11,91 --> 00:27:12,94 a lot want and 307 00:27:12,95 --> 00:27:18,14 a deed for Lot to referencing that property pipe is going to be filed with the 308 00:27:18,15 --> 00:27:22,83 indorsement Yeah the other one's really Nolen void even though it's sitting over 309 00:27:22,84 --> 00:27:28,66 there is your sense of it places that is the most recent does but it's there it's 310 00:27:28,67 --> 00:27:31,83 the approval. That's what I was going to I was 311 00:27:31,84 --> 00:27:37,41 a warning about the sequence again so this is this is as with most subdivisions we 312 00:27:37,42 --> 00:27:38,21 would do 313 00:27:38,28 --> 00:27:43,18 a new plaque and new deeds that would. That deets will come in to Chris Gardner to 314 00:27:43,19 --> 00:27:47,72 file records same time tonight that we get my mylar probably Ok for good thank you 315 00:27:47,72 --> 00:27:53,43 . For the question trouble because I'm ready to go public on the truth. 316 00:27:54,63 --> 00:27:57,70 Because you're only in the business that you need to get before the public on the 317 00:27:58,62 --> 00:28:02,12 right so we're going to go to public comment on this application the way this works 318 00:28:02,33 --> 00:28:07,03 is that any member of the public can make comments on this or ask questions about 319 00:28:07,04 --> 00:28:11,07 it or the proposal all those questions and comments should come to the board or not 320 00:28:11,08 --> 00:28:13,91 to the Apple came directly you should not expect to get into 321 00:28:13,92 --> 00:28:14,91 a question and answer with 322 00:28:14,92 --> 00:28:18,82 a applicant that is what's not going to happen but we certainly will gather up your 323 00:28:18,83 --> 00:28:22,13 comments and we're going to and will gather your questions are you sure the biggest 324 00:28:22,17 --> 00:28:26,64 pieces are that your skin are none of that so as I've discussed what about before 325 00:28:26,65 --> 00:28:29,93 we go with the purchase of patient it's important that when when people 326 00:28:29,94 --> 00:28:34,89 participated they give us can name I said medical record as well so is there any 327 00:28:34,90 --> 00:28:40,70 public comment on this application. Yes or used to improve them you don't have to 328 00:28:40,71 --> 00:28:46,02 stand you but just tell us your name Juergen did murder the 30 foot hills. Cop just 329 00:28:46,03 --> 00:28:52,02 a question coming in to help us if this is approved as it's being presented today 330 00:28:52,47 --> 00:28:55,57 and then someone in the future there's 'd an interest in developing residential 331 00:28:55,58 --> 00:28:58,99 laws what what's the maximum size this could be I see there's 332 00:28:59,00 --> 00:29:02,72 a little here but actually it would be in through like Rizzo and I live in 333 00:29:02,73 --> 00:29:05,51 a 2 to one acre to a group of 5 so that's 334 00:29:05,52 --> 00:29:08,40 a question I have for the board and then just 335 00:29:08,41 --> 00:29:14,12 a comment to go with that. Some of your information to tell has this outdated I got 336 00:29:14,13 --> 00:29:17,22 the letter from the town or via this medium because I got 337 00:29:17,23 --> 00:29:21,75 a better but many of the other voters did not even see why they have you correct 338 00:29:21,76 --> 00:29:27,64 names on their I did notify them I shared how people are reported but they weren't 339 00:29:27,65 --> 00:29:31,39 notified because the records are out of date about who actually lives which of 340 00:29:31,40 --> 00:29:35,04 these problems so I would encourage towns to get 341 00:29:35,05 --> 00:29:42,27 a. Hint. Thank 342 00:29:42,28 --> 00:29:44,10 you. No one else. 343 00:29:50,35 --> 00:29:55,60 Ok so well more on that and so did so because I have I have 344 00:29:55,61 --> 00:30:00,20 a question or comment here maybe we can These are both not really for the have more 345 00:30:00,21 --> 00:30:04,55 procedural things that you have to the question about. Is this if there were to be 346 00:30:04,56 --> 00:30:11,52 if you tradition in this this is Today in Your any. Size. So that's 347 00:30:11,53 --> 00:30:18,08 really. Proposed. 30 years 348 00:30:18,49 --> 00:30:23,00 serious you want someone eager to so you use the 10 years number density which 349 00:30:23,01 --> 00:30:25,75 allows you to residential units if you want to do a p.u.g. 350 00:30:25,92 --> 00:30:29,12 He'd still be allowed to do 3 residential units in those locks could be 351 00:30:29,13 --> 00:30:34,49 a very exciting so the maximum development 3 the lot will be will be 3 from the 352 00:30:34,50 --> 00:30:39,34 density standpoint and with regards to the addresses the can actually Smiths the 353 00:30:39,35 --> 00:30:43,81 interest to us and we really to provide us the most accurate information and 354 00:30:43,82 --> 00:30:49,50 information could have come from the town and the. Addresses could be 355 00:30:49,51 --> 00:30:56,49 a day to day. So that we could procedurally the way that works as the Apple camp is 356 00:30:56,50 --> 00:31:03,18 responsible for making sure the names are correct. I did get blisters 357 00:31:03,22 --> 00:31:09,16 just before. It's the middle so is the information available just to just to be 358 00:31:09,17 --> 00:31:13,76 clear what the process is. After make sure I understand this correctly the 359 00:31:13,77 --> 00:31:17,10 applicant goes against the tax map I don't know what's the quote you caught 360 00:31:17,11 --> 00:31:20,44 nowadays that's meant if that's happening in quotes not you got 361 00:31:20,45 --> 00:31:24,39 a text back with their thoughts and looks and gets all the names of the about 362 00:31:24,40 --> 00:31:24,84 r.c.m. 363 00:31:24,90 --> 00:31:30,57 The names announcer ss because sometimes you get around all right so whoever may 364 00:31:30,58 --> 00:31:33,76 get that you're getting their mailing address so whoever gets the tax bill would 365 00:31:33,77 --> 00:31:38,92 have gotten the notification essential or should based on the latest information in 366 00:31:38,93 --> 00:31:43,86 the listers office Ok And within this edition we we did have. 367 00:31:45,95 --> 00:31:49,93 3 letters returned to the office and then 2 were no under the photos. 368 00:31:55,73 --> 00:32:02,58 Thanks. The other restriction that Chris is right as far as density 369 00:32:02,59 --> 00:32:06,89 research and the other research and where he talked about us in the access you know 370 00:32:06,89 --> 00:32:13,77 . More restrictive than the fence. Right because of that because of the slopes and 371 00:32:13,78 --> 00:32:16,34 the human capital or the right foot versus having 372 00:32:16,35 --> 00:32:21,72 a 50 or 60 foot to the right. Well the question from the board. 373 00:32:23,20 --> 00:32:30,13 Chris anything else you need. To know does its approval you know 180 days to get 374 00:32:30,14 --> 00:32:35,57 the. Sun is that the plot in the in the legals but in all of the. 375 00:32:37,89 --> 00:32:40,82 Yeah you know find out with the border sides and the countries you know what 376 00:32:40,83 --> 00:32:45,67 conditions you're right sir China are all going to close and it's all right this 377 00:32:45,68 --> 00:32:50,60 hearing is closed you'll hear from us with an official position within 45 days we 378 00:32:50,61 --> 00:32:56,31 always try to pick it out if we can so thank you for your for being here and we'll 379 00:32:56,32 --> 00:33:03,23 move along. The 2nd piece of Business for tonight is this is 380 00:33:03,24 --> 00:33:10,14 a sketch review for 7 watts of the vision this is that 69 Packer very short 381 00:33:10,15 --> 00:33:11,69 sketch here just 382 00:33:11,70 --> 00:33:17,95 a little. Play in stores so I was just going to say that yeah that's important so 383 00:33:18,09 --> 00:33:20,93 this is a this this hearing that we're about to do is 384 00:33:20,94 --> 00:33:27,77 a sketch plane hearing that means it's much more informal then normal. Proposal 385 00:33:27,78 --> 00:33:33,77 hearing what the idea is here is to do one of early look at what the issues are 386 00:33:33,78 --> 00:33:37,30 around around a proposal 'd so that the applicant can get 387 00:33:37,71 --> 00:33:43,34 a read on what the issues are early 'd on in the process before they commit to 388 00:33:43,35 --> 00:33:46,97 a design or or store side or something like that to the way this is 389 00:33:46,98 --> 00:33:52,30 a much less formal So who is here to talk about that regard I'll say is that you 390 00:33:52,31 --> 00:33:54,89 again all right very good and I have 391 00:33:54,90 --> 00:34:01,18 a feeling it. Will revert. To will see is Mike Gravel and then else. 392 00:34:02,52 --> 00:34:09,47 You're back. There the owners the parcel is on after growed if 393 00:34:09,48 --> 00:34:14,58 you go down after early task the more Commons which is the newer development on the 394 00:34:14,59 --> 00:34:20,82 left and go about another quarter mile you get into the ground section. And you 395 00:34:20,83 --> 00:34:24,85 have an existing. Farm house here and 396 00:34:24,86 --> 00:34:31,30 a bar right there. This is the parcel on the west portion 397 00:34:32,26 --> 00:34:32,80 was 398 00:34:33,80 --> 00:34:37,87 a good portion of the westerly portion was conveyed to the town of Jericho recently 399 00:34:38,49 --> 00:34:43,29 and portion of this piece this piece got a little bit bigger I think that's 400 00:34:43,30 --> 00:34:48,96 a granddaughter of. The woods so this was. 401 00:34:50,52 --> 00:34:51,67 Purchased by 402 00:34:52,62 --> 00:34:57,95 a little see the proposal that you see in front of you it's proximately 22 acres 403 00:34:57,96 --> 00:35:03,13 and we say approximately because the east side has not been surveyed yet so the 404 00:35:03,14 --> 00:35:08,45 east side is based on the best available information the west side where we're 405 00:35:08,46 --> 00:35:08,84 showing 406 00:35:08,85 --> 00:35:16,28 a lot 12 and 3 that's the actual land based on the property plat. That 407 00:35:16,46 --> 00:35:22,20 rattled and that conveyed the land to the town and contained some land to the 408 00:35:22,21 --> 00:35:28,74 acronyms so sticking to the west side for now we're showing 3 409 00:35:28,75 --> 00:35:35,09 loss they all meet or exceed your conventional lot requirements and one of the 410 00:35:35,10 --> 00:35:41,33 things in the staff notes that we'll get to is discussion on p u p r 411 00:35:41,34 --> 00:35:42,88 t or no p.r.t. 412 00:35:43,28 --> 00:35:48,89 When I initially looked at this I was thinking when I started working with layouts 413 00:35:48,90 --> 00:35:54,94 and walked part of the land I think it's much more conducive to conventional 414 00:35:54,95 --> 00:36:00,90 development this is in your dense is Area your one acre zoning. 415 00:36:01,97 --> 00:36:03,24 But it's it's 416 00:36:03,33 --> 00:36:07,93 a transitional area if you drive down Packer road it's gravel the lots are larger 417 00:36:08,32 --> 00:36:14,91 and I don't think it's appropriate to try to do half acre 30 or lots here. More 418 00:36:14,92 --> 00:36:17,30 clustering than what we're proposing so 419 00:36:17,31 --> 00:36:23,96 a lot one is shown. As $2.00 seekers it would include the barn. 420 00:36:25,45 --> 00:36:30,62 Lot to be shown as an acre and lot is shown as an acre they have the required from 421 00:36:30,63 --> 00:36:37,17 150 feet or more the intention would be to do on Lot septic what I show on there 422 00:36:37,18 --> 00:36:43,61 now is just placeholders we haven't done so as testing yet soil mapping but we 423 00:36:43,62 --> 00:36:48,78 haven't done so those testing so those are large enough for primary replacement if 424 00:36:48,79 --> 00:36:55,59 things come out the way I expect to based on the based on soils it's 425 00:36:55,60 --> 00:36:59,75 Miss for water we're showing that lot wanted to share 426 00:36:59,76 --> 00:37:06,55 a driveway. And that the need for that is to get lost one you want to get 427 00:37:06,56 --> 00:37:11,96 further away from the barn on either side just so that you have visibility so we 428 00:37:12,03 --> 00:37:17,93 push we're showing that driveway pushed over as far as pretty much as far as we can 429 00:37:18,93 --> 00:37:24,44 a lot 3 is the northernmost law proposed on the west side and that would be 430 00:37:24,45 --> 00:37:30,51 a single driveway. There in these loss would be served by that is water 431 00:37:31,04 --> 00:37:35,32 and. The proposed for a lot 3 is opposite 432 00:37:35,33 --> 00:37:42,11 a driveway that is shown on this plan that I submitted for 3 lots on the 433 00:37:42,12 --> 00:37:44,61 east side so the east side were proposing 434 00:37:44,62 --> 00:37:50,42 a total of 4 lots lot 6 is existing home 2 point one acres cut around the existing 435 00:37:50,43 --> 00:37:54,68 home and lot for 5 and 7 with lots 7 being 436 00:37:54,69 --> 00:38:01,64 a very large lot and what you see over here with my hand is in fact 35 feet to 437 00:38:01,65 --> 00:38:08,47 the north of that drainage way everything would be protected so we're kind of 438 00:38:09,19 --> 00:38:15,96 paid to do it here so for scripted. By protecting all that area in the 439 00:38:15,97 --> 00:38:21,33 same thing over on Lot 135 feet north of that. Drainage way is also 440 00:38:21,34 --> 00:38:26,51 a protected area so there's only a front. Diagonally across 441 00:38:26,52 --> 00:38:31,42 a lot why on the front is the usable bar and the diagonal back are protected our. 442 00:38:32,64 --> 00:38:39,02 Sense I submitted to sketch. With Green Mountain Power 443 00:38:39,55 --> 00:38:44,25 and during that visit decided that the driveway for 444 00:38:44,26 --> 00:38:50,40 a lot more will not come in where it's shown that it will actually be combined with 445 00:38:50,41 --> 00:38:55,34 a driveway for $5.00 and $7.00 so we expect that we'll have one drive one new 446 00:38:55,35 --> 00:38:58,37 driveway on the east side that would serve 447 00:38:58,38 --> 00:39:04,46 a lot for 5 and 7 has 3 so that's driveway and the snake 448 00:39:05,13 --> 00:39:08,08 we're just. Going the other direction for 449 00:39:08,09 --> 00:39:11,85 a lot for you Could you have to kind of snake it's not bad but you have to do 450 00:39:11,86 --> 00:39:12,26 a little bit of 451 00:39:12,27 --> 00:39:16,85 a snake because if you're away for the time present. And again I'm showing 452 00:39:16,86 --> 00:39:23,39 placeholders for septic on those lots and the place holder on Lot 6 453 00:39:23,89 --> 00:39:28,14 currently lots 6 not too long ago the woods had done 454 00:39:28,15 --> 00:39:34,78 a septic system in they decided to do it on the barn side. We may actually look to 455 00:39:34,79 --> 00:39:38,71 see if we can utilize that system for a lot wanted a lot to do it has 456 00:39:38,72 --> 00:39:43,36 a wastewater permit. But we're not going to continue to utilize it for 457 00:39:43,37 --> 00:39:48,85 a lot 6 we're going to try to have lots 6 self-sustaining and 6 or so presently 458 00:39:48,86 --> 00:39:52,57 a lot 6 is piping across the road yet because a has has 459 00:39:52,58 --> 00:39:57,47 a. They don't they bore on the road or open cut it but there is 460 00:39:57,48 --> 00:40:01,90 a point that runs through so that they're able to 461 00:40:01,91 --> 00:40:07,06 a sleeve that it runs through. And I've gotten that information I've talked to 462 00:40:07,07 --> 00:40:12,10 Justin Willis who did that were actually he sent me his cad file I've talked to 463 00:40:12,11 --> 00:40:19,04 Brad Holden he sent me his cad file so we have the previous information. As far as 464 00:40:19,05 --> 00:40:26,04 the property flatwork on the West and Justin's work for the soils for the home. 465 00:40:28,82 --> 00:40:33,52 Because it sketch there's not too much for staff troops. 466 00:40:36,91 --> 00:40:43,63 But. Previous activity talks about the boundary line adjustment again the 467 00:40:43,64 --> 00:40:48,30 boundary line adjustment because no locks were created the town of Jericho land 468 00:40:48,31 --> 00:40:52,71 that you see there got added to more town of Jericho land so the absolute motion 469 00:40:52,72 --> 00:40:59,14 boundaries all and then the Agnew's picked up some land both in the in the back 470 00:40:59,18 --> 00:41:04,26 west side of their parcel in the north side and that was added to their lot so 471 00:41:04,27 --> 00:41:04,83 there wasn't 472 00:41:04,84 --> 00:41:11,40 a creation of the lots essentially the area that we're working on became smaller 473 00:41:11,48 --> 00:41:18,28 from one much smaller from what was there. Department to review and 474 00:41:18,29 --> 00:41:22,46 comments it is not known at this time if these proposed residential units will be 475 00:41:22,47 --> 00:41:28,76 Runnels or sold. These will be sold and it will not be Ronald's. Mike Gravel and is 476 00:41:28,77 --> 00:41:35,63 a home builder so he expects to be building the owners 477 00:41:35,64 --> 00:41:42,52 they're working on updating the existing house need some work and want to clean 478 00:41:42,53 --> 00:41:49,48 that up and sell that lot and sell that house. Early. In the process 479 00:41:49,49 --> 00:41:55,78 after after approvals and the other all the other homes with the custom homes for 480 00:41:56,04 --> 00:42:02,74 whichever customers come along. At the very end of that same 481 00:42:02,75 --> 00:42:06,85 1st paragraph on the department reviews it would be recommended to develop 482 00:42:06,86 --> 00:42:11,71 a shared maintenance agreement between locks for the shared drives if the units are 483 00:42:11,72 --> 00:42:17,57 be sold we certainly agree that there needs to be assured me disagreement. 484 00:42:20,93 --> 00:42:27,93 The next paragraph after all so as per section 10.13.2 the year your 485 00:42:27,94 --> 00:42:33,93 regular. Asians are kind of unique to other towns in that that section talks about 486 00:42:34,53 --> 00:42:38,65 if there's been 4 or lots I think with 487 00:42:38,66 --> 00:42:45,55 a period of 10 years. That the board if they feel necessary can say do this is 488 00:42:45,56 --> 00:42:48,96 a p p r t. P u d 489 00:42:49,21 --> 00:42:55,68 r pish which I put in the cover letter is that because we're well 490 00:42:55,69 --> 00:43:02,06 below. We're below that and Steve that that theoretically could be achieved here 491 00:43:02,49 --> 00:43:09,13 preserving this whole area of law 7 staying $35.00. Riparian buffer from the 492 00:43:09,14 --> 00:43:15,83 drainage way on both lot one and across the south side of Lot 6 in lot 7 that we're 493 00:43:15,84 --> 00:43:20,74 achieving the goals of the overall goals of the p. 494 00:43:21,19 --> 00:43:26,60 But more importantly I think. One acre lots is the smallest you should go with this 495 00:43:26,61 --> 00:43:27,98 area just because it's 496 00:43:27,99 --> 00:43:33,12 a transitional area the 2 smallest slots are lot 2 with 3 of those who want to take 497 00:43:33,13 --> 00:43:38,88 her and they have 150 feet of frontage so I don't think it's appropriate and that's 498 00:43:39,45 --> 00:43:42,04 quite honestly if I went to a p.u.g. 499 00:43:42,05 --> 00:43:48,67 I would probably be looking to do one or 2 more lots here. Right I mean though the 500 00:43:48,68 --> 00:43:53,68 purpose of the puti. The puti process is used when there's 501 00:43:53,69 --> 00:43:59,90 a purpose to use it. One per one purpose where it's commonly used is produced is to 502 00:43:59,91 --> 00:44:05,88 preserve open land in exchange for more density in the places where it makes sense 503 00:44:06,18 --> 00:44:09,02 you have not chosen to do that it's your choice that would be 504 00:44:09,03 --> 00:44:14,91 a possible purpose for if you did. I would like I wonder though what you're really 505 00:44:14,92 --> 00:44:18,28 saying is lot 7 retains 506 00:44:19,09 --> 00:44:24,23 a large area whether it can do there should be 507 00:44:24,24 --> 00:44:29,06 a deed for live 7 that precludes further subdivision it's kind of it's going to 508 00:44:29,20 --> 00:44:32,40 kind of be that way regardless because it's 509 00:44:32,41 --> 00:44:34,93 a very footies meant that the driveway for 510 00:44:34,94 --> 00:44:40,34 a lot floor is now being added to it so I'm at the max 3 units off the driveway but 511 00:44:40,35 --> 00:44:46,12 regardless we're showing that it is being preserved for when you see preserved. 512 00:44:47,29 --> 00:44:51,04 Preserved just no development but that new cutting wood What is your definition 513 00:44:51,05 --> 00:44:57,50 mind as addition is no development and then usually I personally always want to see 514 00:44:57,51 --> 00:45:02,76 that debt down diseased trees can be cut or snag trees and then with something like 515 00:45:02,77 --> 00:45:07,84 this I think it's appropriate that. Sometimes you have something in there that you 516 00:45:07,85 --> 00:45:09,19 know more than 2 words by 517 00:45:09,20 --> 00:45:13,49 a lot owner could be you know if the lot owner is earning would they have the 518 00:45:13,50 --> 00:45:19,10 rights to do that other than. Hopefully their 1st using the debt down disease trees 519 00:45:19,16 --> 00:45:25,96 but they have some ability and the same thing on mine. Not one Jap lot on 520 00:45:25,97 --> 00:45:32,24 the back have we should have the same restriction. I think we're the. 521 00:45:33,28 --> 00:45:34,88 You know where the p.d. 522 00:45:34,89 --> 00:45:39,93 With what wouldn't make sense to me on this parcels try to blast the road up in air 523 00:45:40,43 --> 00:45:44,43 once you blast road have been there the cost the road dictates that you're trying 524 00:45:44,44 --> 00:45:50,53 to develop over here also so that's that's why we're trying to. Serve us by 525 00:45:50,54 --> 00:45:57,48 driveways like. Like I said before it's it's that's that's up to Bill though that's 526 00:45:57,49 --> 00:46:02,75 up to the land owner to propose what they want to propose why my only point is it 527 00:46:02,76 --> 00:46:08,09 would be. You know it would be one possible way that it will do this is used with 528 00:46:08,10 --> 00:46:14,45 the process to trade moving the density close to the road in exchange for the 529 00:46:14,46 --> 00:46:18,82 purpose of preserving that of that land but here this is the proof of the proposal 530 00:46:18,83 --> 00:46:21,63 you're doing is also 'd makes sense yes if your peers were 531 00:46:21,64 --> 00:46:23,66 a little closer to 15 and it were 532 00:46:23,67 --> 00:46:27,48 a flat parcel right that may be the way that it was nothing other than asking about 533 00:46:27,49 --> 00:46:33,83 2 is that it is the slopes and. And once and the president used I mean that's Would 534 00:46:33,84 --> 00:46:39,15 you. Do I recall the woods used to sugar up there am I missed or is that the next 535 00:46:39,16 --> 00:46:45,92 lot down. I do not know the history of the heavenly honors know that Ok did you get 536 00:46:45,93 --> 00:46:51,58 on here were you see the lighter colors you know so for that's the one to do with 3 537 00:46:51,59 --> 00:46:57,18 is the open field where the cutting will generally occur is house in your area 538 00:46:57,36 --> 00:46:58,65 septic for a lot for 539 00:46:58,66 --> 00:47:03,91 a lot 57 requires very little cutting because of the research ship and I did the 540 00:47:03,92 --> 00:47:08,04 only other thing I was going to say is it is it would be useful when you do flush 541 00:47:08,05 --> 00:47:08,18 out 542 00:47:08,19 --> 00:47:13,31 a proposal but you know I see that you've placed notional positions for $12.00 and 543 00:47:13,32 --> 00:47:18,37 $3.00 that we were so clear and you know on the 'd up stop make much don't don't 544 00:47:18,38 --> 00:47:22,22 make much of him for additional information but they would for 4 of we're building 545 00:47:22,23 --> 00:47:25,63 the will might be you know you know just with respect to the slope in the in the 546 00:47:25,64 --> 00:47:31,33 woods right the Globes are shown currently see that but they're just shown as the 547 00:47:31,34 --> 00:47:33,88 standard you know their standard conventional x. 548 00:47:33,89 --> 00:47:39,21 Yeah so again we're not asking any waivers where I'm showing them the homes make 549 00:47:39,22 --> 00:47:44,15 sense so I would expect from the way the land with the driveways lay the land 550 00:47:44,16 --> 00:47:45,04 a lot sentence 551 00:47:45,05 --> 00:47:48,90 a very nice lot so you want to get higher the way to get higher is to have that 552 00:47:48,91 --> 00:47:53,60 shared drive further over share because you know you don't want to get close to the 553 00:47:53,61 --> 00:47:59,23 Lot 6000 just works better so I excuse my use my old ones are getting all these 554 00:47:59,24 --> 00:48:04,77 replace holders and it's really in the process the homes will be pretty close to 555 00:48:04,78 --> 00:48:09,09 these locations Ok I just want I just wanted to you know just ask that when we see 556 00:48:09,10 --> 00:48:11,71 this we want to we're going to see the slopes and of course you do 557 00:48:11,72 --> 00:48:15,18 a driveway play and you'll put contours up it will be the level of information you 558 00:48:15,19 --> 00:48:20,39 have I think and initially when I looked at that I basically just looked at the 559 00:48:20,40 --> 00:48:22,51 length from point a to point b. 560 00:48:22,96 --> 00:48:23,52 And put 561 00:48:23,53 --> 00:48:27,92 a little in the drive so that certainly the speed flushed out children as shown 562 00:48:27,93 --> 00:48:33,80 there long enough to be 10 percent requirement. So this is kept so I don't really 563 00:48:33,81 --> 00:48:38,10 need to be too formal about it but I but you know I don't know if others on the 564 00:48:38,11 --> 00:48:42,99 board have questions or concerns or actions are currently has since ceded with them 565 00:48:43,00 --> 00:48:49,41 on 6 or in the. House and. Not I think 566 00:48:49,45 --> 00:48:56,15 historically it was Ok but. There's no no real connection to have other than you 567 00:48:56,16 --> 00:49:00,94 know historically so let it be attention wouldn't be the day and it would be 568 00:49:00,95 --> 00:49:07,57 Parlato on. The teaching of the trees or. Dredge part of the 569 00:49:07,58 --> 00:49:09,13 reason that I did away with 570 00:49:09,14 --> 00:49:14,97 a lot of the driveway on lot for was even though this is sketchy I'll say that I 571 00:49:14,98 --> 00:49:15,15 was 572 00:49:15,16 --> 00:49:21,99 a little embarrassed because at that location we would have had to take out not 573 00:49:22,00 --> 00:49:25,70 only take out a fair amount of stone wall but there's about 574 00:49:25,71 --> 00:49:31,58 a 4 foot rise from the you have to do what where once you get down to where the 575 00:49:31,59 --> 00:49:32,86 driveway is shown it was 576 00:49:32,87 --> 00:49:39,77 a 5 stone wall that's no longer. And it's relatively flush off the 577 00:49:39,78 --> 00:49:45,49 road you'll agree it's relatively flush I'll have to make sure Jeff but I think the 578 00:49:45,50 --> 00:49:51,22 lot 3 driveway and a lot 12 driveway will cut through I'm still saying that it is 579 00:49:51,23 --> 00:49:57,81 a home with instructions on the cars or stone both sides are just not positive not 580 00:49:57,82 --> 00:50:00,89 positive if it runs as far as where the drives proposed 581 00:50:00,90 --> 00:50:07,38 a lot wanted to but will be locating in there really great specimen trees and there 582 00:50:07,39 --> 00:50:14,25 will be taken in the left when I will what I typically do not make sure of it based 583 00:50:14,26 --> 00:50:19,62 on that is when the servant who is out there. I have a shoe and 584 00:50:19,63 --> 00:50:24,65 a live healthy trees along there and if that dictates be shifting driveways I've 585 00:50:24,66 --> 00:50:30,28 got the ability to do that is that block to the right of 7 is that the lead long 586 00:50:30,32 --> 00:50:37,18 long. That cut that bond on No that comes off of that's 587 00:50:37,19 --> 00:50:39,61 not a land line there that dotted line that's 588 00:50:39,62 --> 00:50:44,48 a private drive of their own there I think the houses right here comes out of 589 00:50:44,49 --> 00:50:49,88 a shared drive across the other lot and that pond is on on their lot because. 590 00:50:52,19 --> 00:50:54,90 It's clear from the from the aerial photo. 591 00:51:00,19 --> 00:51:07,04 We get make sure. You know so Stefano sets 592 00:51:07,82 --> 00:51:12,24 I think the main thing that I had was to make sure we had the discussion on the the 593 00:51:12,25 --> 00:51:14,19 beauty 1st conventional. 594 00:51:21,02 --> 00:51:26,06 I think you want to get for going public on the. Continent you know the reason of 595 00:51:26,07 --> 00:51:32,87 the puti issue was brought up as a section 1013 to one it's you know the media b. 596 00:51:32,88 --> 00:51:38,60 Has. Some discretion to offer judgment you know you can be 597 00:51:38,78 --> 00:51:44,58 a better result enough as opposed to measures so you know now will be the time I 598 00:51:44,59 --> 00:51:48,98 think for the applicant didn't appear to be filtering in where another to advise 599 00:51:48,99 --> 00:51:55,76 him or we can discuss and I can provide you know comes from parts of it may be 600 00:51:55,98 --> 00:52:01,69 so I think is you know is the open to the space that is spaces are being preserved 601 00:52:01,69 --> 00:52:08,16 . Again yet I think that I think that's right you know it as I said before the the 602 00:52:08,17 --> 00:52:10,82 main reason why you see people use the pew defrosts s. 603 00:52:10,83 --> 00:52:11,47 In this sort of 604 00:52:11,48 --> 00:52:16,01 a walk is to be able to reconfigure where the access is somehow difficult if you 605 00:52:16,02 --> 00:52:22,09 want to coster. To do that and do the un could do to the short you normally it's 606 00:52:22,10 --> 00:52:24,96 frontage isn't driveways that that you use the p.t. 607 00:52:24,97 --> 00:52:29,86 Process to close it up so and then trade that for the purpose of of the 608 00:52:29,87 --> 00:52:31,22 preservation of 609 00:52:31,26 --> 00:52:36,03 a lot if you're if you're going to do that anyhow then the then the sort of town 610 00:52:36,04 --> 00:52:42,31 plan scale desire to keep open land open can be addressed that way and the 611 00:52:42,32 --> 00:52:46,79 ownership of it isn't even so important as the purpose in the in the broader sense 612 00:52:46,80 --> 00:52:49,65 of the of the town plan the few the process is 613 00:52:49,66 --> 00:52:54,21 a tool to make that happen this is another way to do it so I don't I don't believe 614 00:52:54,22 --> 00:52:58,90 Starwood goes to the board but I don't feel that there's a need to do a p.u.g. 615 00:52:59,10 --> 00:53:04,43 If any do it just to get the. Gist to get that in 616 00:53:04,44 --> 00:53:11,29 a different walked you know takes out help and I think lastly just. For the 617 00:53:11,75 --> 00:53:16,96 weekend you know will we are ready for submission or prior it's going to be the 618 00:53:16,97 --> 00:53:20,90 standard advisory committees being the fire department the water district 619 00:53:21,40 --> 00:53:26,19 conservation energy trails things like that to be sickly as we develop an 620 00:53:26,20 --> 00:53:31,45 application performance you should be able to meet with them which can be proved by 621 00:53:31,46 --> 00:53:37,80 your standpoints we get comments when I'm. In that land was given to the town 622 00:53:37,84 --> 00:53:44,41 you're cool with the restriction. I don't you know there's I 623 00:53:44,42 --> 00:53:50,63 don't I am I have not read that condense and again Kristie know what there is of if 624 00:53:50,64 --> 00:53:51,73 there is a if there is 625 00:53:51,74 --> 00:53:57,06 a national plan that that's in that on that area that tends to lead up to the with 626 00:53:57,07 --> 00:54:03,62 the existing existing land which is an expansion in the recent reviews owner had 627 00:54:03,63 --> 00:54:09,29 allowed some trail expansion as well as public use of their land associated with 628 00:54:09,30 --> 00:54:14,53 the neighboring trails in other spheres their own property so. Right so from the 629 00:54:14,54 --> 00:54:18,96 trails committees point of view it would be. Easy to for them to coordinate 630 00:54:18,97 --> 00:54:22,55 understand what's where that might be efficient to have you get to know that as 631 00:54:22,56 --> 00:54:24,00 part of the submit a list is 632 00:54:24,01 --> 00:54:29,99 a is where the trail whatever present leaders trails and so in that other lot and 633 00:54:30,00 --> 00:54:33,48 whether there is access on Packer road you know it would be 634 00:54:33,49 --> 00:54:37,52 a shame to close off access if that was the case but you know those who need to 635 00:54:37,53 --> 00:54:43,89 know where they are right the whole purpose of that conveyance. If if I if the libs 636 00:54:43,90 --> 00:54:48,52 had consulted with me I would have been saying you're giving away too much but the 637 00:54:48,53 --> 00:54:53,95 whole purpose was that all the trails are on that town pretty quick so there there 638 00:54:53,96 --> 00:54:57,03 isn't anything on this remaining thing as 639 00:54:57,04 --> 00:55:03,62 a primary interest of the of the of the we to Lastly there was a. P.u.g. 640 00:55:03,63 --> 00:55:09,54 That was done up through just just passwords common to the town didn't ask for. An 641 00:55:09,58 --> 00:55:10,41 even better way for 642 00:55:10,42 --> 00:55:16,73 a potential future sidewalk then maybe something that the give me want to. Think 643 00:55:16,74 --> 00:55:22,36 that we the the town we ask for. The likelihood of the town putting 644 00:55:22,37 --> 00:55:27,46 a sidewalk there in the near future is probably not very high but it gives the town 645 00:55:27,47 --> 00:55:32,96 the ability down the road. If needed so if you could be have that with one of these 646 00:55:32,97 --> 00:55:36,27 really one of things you sometimes not seem to would it's very helpful to know is 647 00:55:36,58 --> 00:55:40,77 where is the actual rights of the right of way by Packard road versus where it's 648 00:55:40,78 --> 00:55:46,73 actually maintained and whether there's an unwinnable war over there is for that 649 00:55:46,74 --> 00:55:49,72 sort of aside the question of whether it effects I mean obviously there's 650 00:55:49,73 --> 00:55:53,82 a narrow spot in the present part of the present house and that exhibit 651 00:55:53,83 --> 00:55:58,47 a pinch point but it would be interesting to know all the rest of it we have again 652 00:55:58,48 --> 00:56:04,58 we have the information from Brad So when my survey crew goes out. Will will be 653 00:56:04,59 --> 00:56:11,29 time directly into that so please establish the right away on on the westerly side 654 00:56:11,30 --> 00:56:15,25 we'll have to do our own property plat but we've got 655 00:56:15,26 --> 00:56:20,21 a good starting point so I'll have to shoot the edge of the road and it'll show you 656 00:56:20,31 --> 00:56:24,97 whether it's center whether it's not super. Will make sure Joe gets the minutes 657 00:56:24,98 --> 00:56:31,41 from this really thought about. It but not sure how it shows here but he's not he's 658 00:56:31,42 --> 00:56:35,09 not sitting for this hearing but he's our expert on the Rights of what he is you 659 00:56:35,10 --> 00:56:40,39 know what the biggest issue Yeah Ok. I guess I'd like to I'd like to go to public 660 00:56:40,40 --> 00:56:42,13 comment again this is a he said this is a. Not 661 00:56:42,14 --> 00:56:44,71 a formal or proposal sort of but it's a sketch and it's 662 00:56:44,72 --> 00:56:49,04 a good time for official comment to go to that so as it has before the idea is to 663 00:56:49,05 --> 00:56:52,71 go public on it to the board again this is one more informal because it's sketchy 664 00:56:52,91 --> 00:56:53,12 but it's 665 00:56:53,13 --> 00:57:00,27 a problem this is this time. Go ahead Joe 666 00:57:00,28 --> 00:57:05,77 president I think it's just curious the trail on some hill go broke. 667 00:57:07,19 --> 00:57:13,26 Kind of in the back by the pond. That might be all trails like they used to be and 668 00:57:13,27 --> 00:57:17,25 you said they don't look as maintained as the other side I was just curious because 669 00:57:17,41 --> 00:57:23,07 I'm on the next flight up I'm kind of like I'm 85 Packard just north of this 670 00:57:23,08 --> 00:57:28,62 proposal. Yeah the bottom picture or the ball is half. 671 00:57:29,65 --> 00:57:35,41 Triangle the station Ok. Yeah right there so like there's 672 00:57:35,42 --> 00:57:39,38 a look creek that runs behind my house and then there are some old trails that run 673 00:57:39,38 --> 00:57:42,72 . Along the creek almost like 674 00:57:42,73 --> 00:57:48,88 a stream that comes down from the pond to think. I was just curious since you said 675 00:57:48,89 --> 00:57:55,82 there are no the trails anything good in public policy. Is Better clerk 676 00:57:55,83 --> 00:58:02,43 there if you throw sort of you. Oh oh. They just 677 00:58:02,54 --> 00:58:08,99 appreciate the. Do go spirit school run to do some tomorrow when. We have 678 00:58:09,00 --> 00:58:15,51 a term of these are really ill to have to go through there will be no talk for 679 00:58:15,80 --> 00:58:22,38 years or so oh the high priests are good but for the scream to do so 680 00:58:22,80 --> 00:58:28,62 watts I'll 2nd that on my piece there I guess that's right behind me that was the 681 00:58:28,63 --> 00:58:31,53 main concern when I'm sitting here so Ok this is 682 00:58:31,54 --> 00:58:38,18 a. Regular group regular cover that your wife is the Gruen order 683 00:58:38,40 --> 00:58:45,35 of the woods or there were other just personal journals or war who 684 00:58:45,71 --> 00:58:48,20 you started really Ok with we were told. 685 00:58:56,37 --> 00:59:03,12 So yes but I guess that's yeah that will be the only no one ever get it is weird I 686 00:59:03,13 --> 00:59:06,41 get the same thing I asked as you know the intro I can with whatever trails are 687 00:59:06,42 --> 00:59:11,09 presently in use I know that as Chris said that there are some well established 688 00:59:11,10 --> 00:59:14,58 trails that are now on the town property and it would just be interesting to know 689 00:59:14,59 --> 00:59:20,76 what what other uses there are 'd there presently and who owns horns What in the in 690 00:59:20,77 --> 00:59:24,78 a given the proposal he had not sent and then of course passed the common on to you 691 00:59:24,79 --> 00:59:29,62 they are on they appreciate but you wish you got about 15 of them of the buffers to 692 00:59:29,63 --> 00:59:31,55 the neighbors it's again it's 693 00:59:31,56 --> 00:59:36,38 a transitional area so even though it's the you know the highest density for 694 00:59:36,39 --> 00:59:42,72 Jericho then. Other than the village and Underhill the actual order is there 695 00:59:43,60 --> 00:59:49,71 it's more appropriate to do something along this line. Anything else and you know 696 00:59:49,72 --> 00:59:53,65 part of it is where you know there was anything that was he did over there we 697 00:59:53,66 --> 00:59:58,86 should be aware in terms of the proving it will lead us to so I don't know it's not 698 00:59:58,87 --> 01:00:02,56 here I hope it's not what I hope it's quite the op. And I hope the trills committee 699 01:00:02,57 --> 01:00:07,86 is nice nice to us because they will it's and gave them what they wanted and it 700 01:00:07,87 --> 01:00:12,18 isn't so actually this is why this is why we always tell people who are with just 701 01:00:12,19 --> 01:00:14,51 about here there is a yes there is an existing trill 702 01:00:14,69 --> 01:00:19,88 a Here is the course really northern end of the property here now it comes in to 703 01:00:20,52 --> 01:00:25,49 right Packard Packard Road area Yep and that previously was in the properties not 704 01:00:25,50 --> 01:00:26,88 on the time property you have 705 01:00:26,89 --> 01:00:29,99 a that I just happened to know that the trail goes right along the property line 706 01:00:30,00 --> 01:00:32,10 because my son actually does 707 01:00:32,11 --> 01:00:37,68 a trail work in there did on the wrong side of the property lines. If POTUS mistake 708 01:00:37,69 --> 01:00:39,75 and no harm done but it was 709 01:00:39,76 --> 01:00:46,56 a long time ago. As part of the record now is now Death 710 01:00:46,57 --> 01:00:50,41 that. If you get the North it was 711 01:00:50,42 --> 01:00:56,03 a real nice about it anyway. Is there anything else Ok so as I said before this is 712 01:00:56,04 --> 01:01:00,27 a sketch it was just have to help the African understand sort of the context of the 713 01:01:00,28 --> 01:01:06,53 what the issues were so anything else you want to ask us this point no. I don't I 714 01:01:06,54 --> 01:01:13,11 would encourage if in future regulation changes. I mean doesn't matter to me 715 01:01:13,15 --> 01:01:16,69 because I tell anybody that comes in we're going to sketch but you're one of the 716 01:01:16,70 --> 01:01:22,34 few towns that is optional and it's just it's highly valuable I think for the 717 01:01:22,35 --> 01:01:26,35 clients to be to you guys instead of somebody coming in with 718 01:01:26,36 --> 01:01:32,50 a design and thinking that they're just going to class last through. It's hard to 719 01:01:32,51 --> 01:01:39,48 make changes once you've got so far in the process. That. 720 01:01:40,64 --> 01:01:45,26 Mission leaves next Tuesday to be happy. To sign you enough once you've studied 721 01:01:45,27 --> 01:01:46,81 hard to bring that on as 722 01:01:46,82 --> 01:01:52,05 a suggestion Perry it will move along that we have minutes from his previous 723 01:01:52,06 --> 01:01:58,51 meeting. Where you breath time to move to the minute speed proofed house I could be 724 01:01:58,52 --> 01:02:03,83 able to do it you are going to fill her. Yes Ok all those in favor. 725 01:02:05,79 --> 01:02:05,89 In 726 01:02:05,90 --> 01:02:12,98 a church who has written. You know. One of the piece of business I can do in the public 727 01:02:12,99 --> 01:02:19,48 meaning before we move along the. Annual supplanting of zoning formed put on by the 728 01:02:19,49 --> 01:02:23,85 Drama League of Cities and Towns is coming up I've been to these before and they're 729 01:02:23,86 --> 01:02:27,17 very valuable I would encourage the members of the or if you take 730 01:02:27,18 --> 01:02:32,25 a look see if they want to participate the town has offered to pay the tuition or 731 01:02:32,26 --> 01:02:35,69 the whatever the registration fee if people are interested so you all should know 732 01:02:35,70 --> 01:02:39,78 about that if you're interested let me know then I will have all of the richest sim 733 01:02:39,79 --> 01:02:44,60 your contact information which you probably have and Paula will register you for 734 01:02:44,61 --> 01:02:49,15 the. Same thanks he's going to let people know that he's the world journey from 735 01:02:49,38 --> 01:02:49,67 which the.